Mr. A
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Aug 20, 2010 19:47:13 GMT -5
Post by Mr. A on Aug 20, 2010 19:47:13 GMT -5
NO MAAM,
I'm not a fan of the female barflies that talk and tease their way to free drinks. But I hope you aren't trying to compare them to players. Because there is a huge, Grand Canyon-esque, difference between playing somebody for some drinks and playing them for their body/emotions. Don't even try to compare losing a few dollars from your wallet, with possibly losing selfrespect and selfworth. A big problem is people talking out their issues with bitches & assholes on the more innocent and naive; and just chalking it up to some sick belief that they some how balance each other out.
Not everyone has an angle their working. I just feel that the ones with an agenda should get what's coming to them, and leave the more decent people just looking for a good time alone. It'd be a lot easier to go out, have fun, and meet people if we weren't all so jaded by the notion that you have to be alert and watching out for predators, creepers, and schemers. And yes they come in both male & female.
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Aug 21, 2010 1:14:03 GMT -5
Post by lauralove on Aug 21, 2010 1:14:03 GMT -5
My theory on girls in nightlife is 3-fold There's basically 3 types of girls that go out 1.) Girls looking to have a good time with their friends but are open to meeting new people 2.) Girls that are on the prowl and looking for a hook-up 3.) Girls that are flat out attention whores and simply get off on the male attention they receive with no intention of taking it any further with them So as a player I'd say your focus should be on 1. and 2. Theoretically if you do have superb game you can get the 3. but its often not worth hassle it would entail I'd say hopefully the players would only get #2, out of decency. Seeing as those girls are looking for the same cheap and easy night that the player is. Spare the non-whores. But then again, that would defeat the whole purpose of the scum we know as 'players'. Ever met a player who was a nice guy? Impossible. It's like looking for the lochness monster. Sure, people have claimed to have seen it. But there's no proof it exists. And those who think of themselves as players and nice guys; they're just playing themselves. Players are just not man enough to be real with others, too consumed with themselves to care about how their actions affect others, and scared to attempt a real relationship. God bless the girls that are too smart to fall for their shit; & god (or at least, their cock blocking "bitch" friend) save the ones who aren't. agreed. most players are selfish assholes and insecure!
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Aug 22, 2010 1:30:04 GMT -5
Post by NO MAAM on Aug 22, 2010 1:30:04 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the female barflies that talk and tease their way to free drinks. But I hope you aren't trying to compare them to players. Because there is a huge, Grand Canyon-esque, difference between playing somebody for some drinks and playing them for their body/emotions. Don't even try to compare losing a few dollars from your wallet, with possibly losing selfrespect and selfworth. Not only am I trying to compare the two, but I am contending and maintaining that - by your definition of "player" - the female barfly and the male "player" play by the same rules, have the same ethical standards, and, in fact, are EXACTLY THE SAME. Not only that, but I will take it one step further. I further contend that the female barfly is not only playing their male targets for some drinks, but she is artificially, cruelly, and vindictively playing the guy - if he capitulates to her advances - for his emotions, which could ultimately lead to him questioning or altogether losing his self-respect and self-worth once he realizes he has been... played. The loss to the man could be much greater than the sum of a few dollars. Assuming the contrary places an inflated value on female emotions while rendering male emotions to a bargain basement clearance sale. It also places an unwarranted gender-based double-standard as to what is acceptable social behavior. It'd be a lot easier to go out, have fun, and meet people if we weren't all so jaded by the notion that you have to be alert and watching out for predators, creepers, and schemers. And yes they come in both male & female. I totally agree with this. However, I must point out that players are not the only predators, creepers, and schemers out there. I think some women would do well to realize that instead of spending 90% of their evenings out with their girlfriends wondering when the next "player" is going to try to "ruin" their Girls Night Out, they should perhaps look at their present romantic situation. Sometimes the monster you fear lurks right under your own nose...
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Aug 22, 2010 13:09:32 GMT -5
Post by Regional Hotties "Jill" on Aug 22, 2010 13:09:32 GMT -5
One night, I was hanging out at an upscale lounge with one of my guy friends. We notice two girls and approach. The girl I am talking to (Girl A) was not into me at all, however, her friend (Girl B) was REALLY INTO my friend. She was giving every sign of interest you could come up with. However, Girl A - the one I was talking to - immediately diverted from the interaction I was having with her and started to try to pull Girl B away from my friend. Seeing this, I tried keeping the conversation going, but the Girl A robotically ignored me and proceeded to drag away Girl B who was in mid conversation with my friend. In my opinion, Girl A did a total disservice to her friend that night, and furthermore, was rude to me, my friend, and especially her friend, by completing what appeared to me was a pre-arranged escape maneuver, with complete and total disregard to the wishes of her friend. I think horny guys should be more aware of those blow-off signals to avoid being labeled a creeper. What blow-off signals are you referring to? Are you suggesting that in the scenario you referenced, girls who are "out and dance in a circle around their purses and shoes" should not be approached under any circumstances because that activity is a clear sign they are disinterested in having or initiating any male interaction during the course of that evening? If Girl B was really interested, I'm disappointed she didn't tell her friend that everything was cool. Unless the person has a proven shady past, she should have every right to at least chat him up a few minutes. Aaah, the blow-off signs...I've seen looking around the bar at everyone BUT you and obvious eye-rolling the most. They vary from girl to girl, just keep an eye out for them. And no...you can approach anyone. Just don't assume everyone is there for a hook-up. With a large group of girls, engage them all in conversation and don't lear at them (or their breasts!
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Aug 23, 2010 6:10:06 GMT -5
Post by NO MAAM on Aug 23, 2010 6:10:06 GMT -5
If Girl B was really interested, I'm disappointed she didn't tell her friend that everything was cool. Unless the person has a proven shady past, she should have every right to at least chat him up a few minutes. Aaah, the blow-off signs...I've seen looking around the bar at everyone BUT you and obvious eye-rolling the most. They vary from girl to girl, just keep an eye out for them. And no...you can approach anyone. Just don't assume everyone is there for a hook-up. With a large group of girls, engage them all in conversation and don't lear at them (or their breasts! Thank you for your response, Jill. I agree that Girl B should have called off the drag-away, considering she seemed really into my friend and that neither of the girls knew us and therefore had any reason to suspect either of us guys had a "shady past" or any other legitimate reason to discontinue association. I also appreciate your clarification with respect to the two questions I asked earlier.
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Mr. A
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Aug 25, 2010 15:27:04 GMT -5
Post by Mr. A on Aug 25, 2010 15:27:04 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the female barflies that talk and tease their way to free drinks. But I hope you aren't trying to compare them to players. Because there is a huge, Grand Canyon-esque, difference between playing somebody for some drinks and playing them for their body/emotions. Don't even try to compare losing a few dollars from your wallet, with possibly losing selfrespect and selfworth. Not only am I trying to compare the two, but I am contending and maintaining that - by your definition of "player" - the female barfly and the male "player" play by the same rules, have the same ethical standards, and, in fact, are EXACTLY THE SAME. Not only that, but I will take it one step further. I further contend that the female barfly is not only playing their male targets for some drinks, but she is artificially, cruelly, and vindictively playing the guy - if he capitulates to her advances - for his emotions, which could ultimately lead to him questioning or altogether losing his self-respect and self-worth once he realizes he has been... played. The loss to the man could be much greater than the sum of a few dollars. Assuming the contrary places an inflated value on female emotions while rendering male emotions to a bargain basement clearance sale. It also places an unwarranted gender-based double-standard as to what is acceptable social behavior. It'd be a lot easier to go out, have fun, and meet people if we weren't all so jaded by the notion that you have to be alert and watching out for predators, creepers, and schemers. And yes they come in both male & female. I totally agree with this. However, I must point out that players are not the only predators, creepers, and schemers out there. I think some women would do well to realize that instead of spending 90% of their evenings out with their girlfriends wondering when the next "player" is going to try to "ruin" their Girls Night Out, they should perhaps look at their present romantic situation. Sometimes the monster you fear lurks right under your own nose... Wow, I was giving the benefit of the doubt that you just thought your username WA just showing your fondness for Married With Children. But it turns out that you are THAT transparent. Believe it or not, "players", "barflies", schemers, etc come in both female and male. So I'm guessing you probably want to file yourself under player or smooth. But I'm guessing your luck with women matches the way you come across here. I know this is am open forum. I just hoped that there'd be a better quality of commentary and ideals. But maybe I was just misguided by many of the other posts I've read on here. Long story short (too late...) male or female doesn't matter. The point here is that you cannot compare talking someone out of a few drinks and some money, versus using those same tactics and then take someone's trust, emotions, and body just for your own selfish whims. And once again, that goes for both men and women. The only people who think there's a double standard and that only men are the enemy ate the same people who are at fault for creating and perpetuating such ridiculous ideas. I say everyone its entitled to their own opinion, just don't force it on the rest of us who can furniture our own thoughts and ideas.
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Aug 26, 2010 4:50:11 GMT -5
Post by NO MAAM on Aug 26, 2010 4:50:11 GMT -5
Wow, I was giving the benefit of the doubt that you just thought your username WA just showing your fondness for Married With Children. But it turns out that you are THAT transparent. Believe it or not, "players", "barflies", schemers, etc come in both female and male. So I'm guessing you probably want to file yourself under player or smooth. But I'm guessing your luck with women matches the way you come across here. Since I accord respect to everyone on this forum, I expect the same when being addressed. And from what I have seen, I am not the only member you have directed animosity to. I know this is am open forum. I just hoped that there'd be a better quality of commentary and ideals. But maybe I was just misguided by many of the other posts I've read on here. Long story short (too late...) male or female doesn't matter. The point here is that you cannot compare talking someone out of a few drinks and some money, versus using those same tactics and then take someone's trust, emotions, and body just for your own selfish whims. And once again, that goes for both men and women. I think you should stop reading your own posts for the "better quality" you seem to appreciate and start reading the thoughtful posts made by me and other members here. If you had read my last reply in this thread, you would understand that you are comparing pears to fruit, yet saying there are no similarities other than they both start-out as seeds. To be more specific: You are essentially suggesting that when a woman talks someone out of a few drinks and some money, the consequences that she is taking someone's trust, emotions, and body just for her own selfish whims do not exist. This is where we disagree, and moreover, where I am absolutely correct. You then qualify your inaccuracy by saying, "that goes for both men and women." Unfortunately, that qualification is misleading when one actually reads your commentary because the qualification ultimately contradicts the commentary. The only people who think there's a double standard and that only men are the enemy ate the same people who are at fault for creating and perpetuating such ridiculous ideas. I say everyone its entitled to their own opinion, just don't force it on the rest of us who can furniture our own thoughts and ideas. A double-standard does not exist until one is invoked. You are the one who invoked the double-standard by suggesting men sustain little or no collateral damage at the hands of a woman playing them for drinks and money, excepting some money loss. The reality is that it depends on the situation, but in many cases, men who are played for drinks and money do suffer a loss of self-respect and self-worth because the woman only recognized them for material attributes. In contrast, while the male is perhaps seeking sexual gratification, he is recognizing the female for her human qualities. Also, nobody on this forum is forcing any ideas on anybody. Anyone visiting this forum is free to read the posts and accept, challenge, or reject any ideas or information presented. The forum also provides for open-spirited debate, which ultimately leads to the dissemination of some useful information.
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Mr. A
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Aug 26, 2010 9:40:50 GMT -5
Post by Mr. A on Aug 26, 2010 9:40:50 GMT -5
NOMAAM,
I apologize if you feel that this has become a personal attack and that I have shown animosity to you, or anyone else. You stated out by along me a question, I answered, and you didn't like my answer. The response you provided didn't make much dense to me and came across as rather sexist and as a blindly constructive explanation of your view. Which did surprise me Because I had read the various threads on this forum prior to my first post. I found many of the posts interesting and insightful, including yours. Which is why I guess I was thrown off by your initial response. It seems neither of us were clearly reading each other correctly. I was simply answering a question you asked me directly and after my response, we stayed from the topic via opposing points of view, yet also with unclear perceptions of each others statements.
The point I think we can both agree upon is this... man or woman, taking advantage of anyone, to any degree is a lowly and despicable act. Regardless of the deceiver's ultimate goal, it is they who ruin and taint the fun of social gathering and meeting new people for everyone else.
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Aug 26, 2010 19:25:49 GMT -5
Post by lauralove on Aug 26, 2010 19:25:49 GMT -5
great post mr A! I am so glad you are spreading the right word cause i can see a lot of guys here need it! As a woman one of the worst feelings is getting used. I for 1 am not the type to use guys for drinks but u cannot even compare that to leading a woman on.
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Aug 27, 2010 0:14:20 GMT -5
Post by rkr on Aug 27, 2010 0:14:20 GMT -5
they could be ugly but more so just give off a creepy vibe... we go out to have fun and you can tell thats not a lot of guys intentions Again, as I said to Jill, as if wanting to get laid is such a bad thing. We all need to eat, right? It's natural to want food when you're hungry, right? Well the same applies to going out clubbing with the sole purpose of getting laid. We on the same page here, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Something tells me it's just wishful thinking. What's funny is that, what you women criticize in men, you also do yourselves. It's called, what's that word again? Shit. Oh yeah, hypocrisy. You know you get ragingly horny and do the exact same - look to get laid. So who we kiddin' here? Sex is something we all need, it's an absolute basic necessity of life for both genders in order to function and keep a sane head. Don't fight nature.
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Aug 27, 2010 3:10:09 GMT -5
Post by NO MAAM on Aug 27, 2010 3:10:09 GMT -5
NOMAAM, I apologize if you feel that this has become a personal attack and that I have shown animosity to you, or anyone else. Mr. A, I accept your apology.
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Aug 27, 2010 3:50:03 GMT -5
Post by NO MAAM on Aug 27, 2010 3:50:03 GMT -5
Again, as I said to Jill, as if wanting to get laid is such a bad thing. We all need to eat, right? It's natural to want food when you're hungry, right? Well the same applies to going out clubbing with the sole purpose of getting laid. We on the same page here, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Something tells me it's just wishful thinking. What's funny is that, what you women criticize in men, you also do yourselves. It's called, what's that word again? Shit. Oh yeah, hypocrisy. You know you get ragingly horny and do the exact same - look to get laid. So who we kiddin' here? Sex is something we all need, it's an absolute basic necessity of life for both genders in order to function and keep a sane head. Don't fight nature. rkr, You bring up a valid point. Women DO get ragingly horny, and women DO enjoy sex. However, it is by nature they conceal this natural reality. So it should come as no surprise that immediate denial is their first response when confronted with this. Now, not every woman is out there looking to get laid, and not every woman who goes to a club is looking to get laid. But the number of women who are is much greater than they or our otherwise politically correct society wish men would believe.
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Sept 8, 2010 9:55:43 GMT -5
Post by lauralove on Sept 8, 2010 9:55:43 GMT -5
I think its a small percentage no maam. Those that are looking for that are sluts. Sex itself brings about consequences which responsible women know needs to be taken serious!
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Sept 14, 2010 23:57:40 GMT -5
Post by Zero Cool on Sept 14, 2010 23:57:40 GMT -5
they could be ugly but more so just give off a creepy vibe... we go out to have fun and you can tell thats not a lot of guys intentions you can do the same things and act like a lesbo at your place too. I can't quote the above post, so I'm reaponding to lauraloves. Small percentage of women? WTF planet is that from? And please, that in no way is an insult to you at all. That is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Women enjoy and want sex just as much as men do. However, men also will take it from anything that offers it sometimes. Women are more selective. If you don't believe me, why does pretty much every woman on earth own a pleasure toy? And why can you walk into an adult store and be assaulted by thousands of dildos the moment you walk past the motel drapes they have covering the windows? I'm sure companies wouldn't be turning huge profits from phallus shaped plastic items for a small percentage of women.
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Sept 15, 2010 1:50:52 GMT -5
Post by NO MAAM on Sept 15, 2010 1:50:52 GMT -5
Sex itself brings about consequences which responsible women know needs to be taken serious! Lauralove, you bring up a good point. Sex does brings about consequences, which is why women should always be sure to carry a few condoms and perhaps some morning-after pills in the event they decide at some point to, as you put it, act slutty.
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