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Post by Anonymous on Aug 19, 2010 9:47:10 GMT -5
How would you even know that if you haven't gone out with him and gotten to know him yet? Are you basing it all on looks and the possibly fake persons he might be putting out their? Not everyone truly is who they seem in public. Especially if they have hidden agendas. Sometimes you need to rally get to know someone, and who's to say you really do most of the time. Hopefully, most people ate honest, bit there are still too many phonies and wannabe playas out there. Maybe I'm weird, but I wouldn't spend a few hours with someone I wasn't interested in. If I was going on a date with a guy, I know him in some capacity. Either, we've chatted on the phone or we've hung out with mutual friends/met at a party/etc. But yeah, if he was hot enough...I'd kiss him! Wow. That makes sense and sound good. Up until your last sentence, where you just wiped your ass with your own smart statement and flat out said that if he's "hot enough" everything else you said doesn't matter. Apparently "hot" makes it OK to just kiss him and ignore everything else you think and say.
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Post by crashoverride on Aug 19, 2010 12:44:50 GMT -5
Maybe getting to know someone makes them hot??
Even if she meant it literally I personally don't think there's anything wrong with kissing somebody you find attractive. Its often the coy games women play that end up leading to their own detriment.
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Post by Anonymous on Aug 19, 2010 21:47:52 GMT -5
Maybe getting to know someone makes them hot?? Even if she meant it literally I personally don't think there's anything wrong with kissing somebody you find attractive. Its often the coy games women play that end up leading to their own detriment. Jill definitely means it 100%, completely superficially, literally. But Crash is right about 1 thing: that's the sorry of thing that gets girls hurt and causes nothing but problems. No good has ever come from pure-/no-substance style hook-ups. They all end. And they all end badly.
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Post by lauralove on Aug 21, 2010 0:45:16 GMT -5
you get karma from me Mr. A! I agree fully
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Post by Regional Hotties "Jill" on Aug 22, 2010 13:02:50 GMT -5
Do I know you Mr. A? LOL
I'm not kissing a complete stranger. Plain & simple. HOWEVER...if a guy is hot enough , I'd kiss him during or after the date. Or cute enough...the whole package. A super hot face with an awkward or misogynistic personality isn't touching my lips.
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Post by Mr. A on Aug 25, 2010 15:39:42 GMT -5
Do I know you Mr. A? LOL I'm not kissing a complete stranger. Plain & simple. HOWEVER...if a guy is hot enough , I'd kiss him during or after the date. Or cute enough...the whole package. A super hot face with an awkward or misogynistic personality isn't touching my lips. So which is it? Hot trunks everything else? I mean, you say that you wouldn't with a completed stranger, but then you take it back. So I guess you're real opinion is that personality, emotions, etc don't matter. It comes down to just being horny and just greenlighting anyone "hot", as long as they "appear" not to be a scumbag or murderer.
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Post by rkr on Aug 26, 2010 23:51:25 GMT -5
"A good way to filter out the dudes that aren't worth her time".
What a strange, laughable outlook on life. As if wanting to kiss a chick is terrible thing. What next, want me to stop breathing too because that also is natural for me? Since when is a guy doing what's natural and harmless, a bad thing? You women have your logic twisted. Actually, it's a great way for us guys to weed out the mental-case prudes with developmental disabilities who still act like they're in 5th grade. When I was in 5th grade it was maybe common for girls to refrain from kissing on first dates, but you're all fuckin' adults, start acting like such. Pathetic. Instant turn-off, I don't care how hot you are, I wouldn't have sex with such a woman even if you paid me. Have you thought about covering yourselves from head to toe like Muslim extremists too? Go to the Middle East where you would fit in just fine, and leave the "REAL" women who wish to act like real women to the men who desire them. Sayanora prudes!
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Post by lauralove on Aug 28, 2010 22:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by rkr on Sept 2, 2010 19:56:26 GMT -5
Its natural to want to be violent when you are angry, does that mean you should act on your natural impulse? Of course the urge of wanting to resort to violence is natural; the difference between that though and what I'm explaining, is that one causes actual harm and the other doesn't. Get it? If you can tell me what harm is coming out of a girl kissing on a first date, I'll shut my mouth. I would rather be a prude that a slut. Its something called dignity but you wouldn't know anything about that! Again, prove to me how it's harmful. What does dignity have to do with it? Either your illogical view stems from religious extremism, you've been conditioned by society to think women have to act certain ways(which stems from illogical religious extremism itself), or you're just a plain mental case. Whatever it is, the fact is, you just can't help yourself. If it's conditioning, then all I can say is this: believe me, I understand it's extremely hard to reverse conditioning, I've been there myself, but if you can get yourself to do it, it would really be beneficial to you.
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Post by NO MAAM on Sept 3, 2010 3:50:50 GMT -5
rkr, this is a very good point, and one that is not often addressed: If it's conditioning, then all I can say is this: believe me, I understand it's extremely hard to reverse conditioning, I've been there myself, but if you can get yourself to do it, it would really be beneficial to you. This is a BIG part of the problem. Conditioning has effectively changed our society for the worst, and we have a 24/7 media that is more than willing to promote a politically correct lifestyle that doesn't recognize people as men or women, rather it views them as "person". If a man can do something, a woman can do it too, and she probably - no, she WILL do it ten times better. Need proof? A skyscraper for Midtown Manhattan was recently approved which - if built - could decimate the historic skyline of New York City (other projects may serve to do this as well, but that is another topic altogether) So what was the main concern of the city council at the last hearing at which they gave approval? That it be built safely and the scaffolding be sound? No. That the developer agree in writing to the transportation infrastructure improvements they proposed in order to sweeten the deal to the city? No. The main and only concern to the city council was that only 15% of the construction companies the developer recruited for this project were owned by women and/or minorities. I am not suggesting a company owned by such people could not do a good job, or even a better job than a company owned by men. But why should this even be a factor? Instead of looking at who owns the companies, perhaps the city council would better serve their constituents (most of whom don't want the project built anyway) by examining the safety and work records for all the involved companies to insure only the highest qualified companies be approved to work in a city of 8.5 million people. The conditioning in this country has been intense. Women seem more masculine in the past two decades while a lot of men have become effeminate during that same time frame. I know a guy who has been married for at least twenty years, and during that time his wife overhauled their kitchen four times. Guess who payed for it? Guess who dared not complain about it either? I know, I know. Who was using the kitchen to prepare the meals? She was. But he couldn't do so during the day because he was out working and earning the money. Personally I am disgusted at some of the "person"s in this society who call themselves men. A man used to stand up for himself and defend his honor. Today, he can't even say "No" to his wife over the most trivial matter. The media is largely to blame. They are constantly promoting this politically correct culture that has attempted to reinvent the wheel and redesign the original roles of men and women. The women of "The View" seem to be dictating the rules of society while men are acting like jackasses on "The Jerry Springer Show". Actually, there should be little surprise as to why women today want to act more like men. It seems there are so few real men left today, they need to make some themselves. Essentially, a man must act like a man to be a man. "Male" is more than just an option you check on a form, it is who you are. If you aren't willing to assert the societal rights you have as a man, you should probably retreat to the back of the line and watch males who have accepted their gender and its role in the world realize the successes that men realize. And to bring this post back around to the specific subject of this thread, if a man wants to kiss a woman at the end of their date, there is no reason he should withhold.
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Post by crashoverride on Sept 4, 2010 3:33:24 GMT -5
Essentially, a man must act like a man to be a man. "Male" is more than just an option you check on a form, it is who you are. If you aren't willing to assert the societal rights you have as a man, you should probably retreat to the back of the line and watch males who have accepted their gender and its role in the world realize the successes that men realize. And to bring this post back around to the specific subject of this thread, if a man wants to kiss a woman at the end of their date, there is no reason he should withhold.
Amen. Well posted
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Post by lauralove on Sept 8, 2010 10:00:07 GMT -5
what harm comes from kissing? I dont think you would understand if I explained it because you have already been CONDITIONED to see women as pieces of meat. When 2 people like each other and know each other that they feel comfortable then a kiss is meaningful. 2 random people making out at a club brings no fufillment and only cheapens both the experience and the people doing it.
no maam real men are men who respect their women and their views. Most of you on here sound like male shovenist pigs
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Post by Zero Cool on Sept 14, 2010 23:50:43 GMT -5
what harm comes from kissing? I dont think you would understand if I explained it because you have already been CONDITIONED to see women as pieces of meat. When 2 people like each other and know each other that they feel comfortable then a kiss is meaningful. 2 random people making out at a club brings no fufillment and only cheapens both the experience and the people doing it. no maam real men are men who respect their women and their views. Most of you on here sound like male shovenist pigs and you sound like a short haired, seething feminist. There is only one choice in life you can make and that's live it. Most men do not see women as pieces of meat to ravage for our own amusement. Surprisingly, most men do see women as equal partners in a similarly equal "union", relationship, marriage etc. Chauvinists want to command. Men lead. Your views, in my opinion are very anti male and divisive. In life there can't be two sets of rules. You have your views about not wanting to seem like a whore. That's great. But for criticizing men for exercising and acting upon natural impulses is downright bordering on insanity. Why do we have to play by your rules and do everything that you want, but then say ours are chauvinistic because we as males yearn for physical romance? Your views sound chauvinistic madam.
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Post by crashoverride on Nov 4, 2010 10:06:19 GMT -5
Some excellent points made on this thread! Something I personally find interesting about woman willing to kiss on the 1st date is that culture can influence it's probability. A few examples to demonstrate this in my experience: I dated a Brazilian woman who flat out told me it is normal to kiss someone passionately on the first date if you like them. She clearly demonstrated this to me I dated an Ecuadorian woman who gave me grief about trying to kiss her on the 2nd date! She said it was too fast and that's not how people from her region are brought up... With American girls... I'd say most of them are willing to kiss on the 1st date... but you will find your traditional ones (or at least trying to act that way lol) that will be against it. Looking at the feature hotties on www.regionalhotties.com - you can their answers are mixed on this topic.
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Post by pickupmilitia on Dec 26, 2010 23:03:12 GMT -5
So the new model Marissa says she usually doesn't kiss on the 1st date... all that tells me is that if a guy has the right game she would. I think this applies to any girl really
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